Negative Review: Teacher File Box

Though I am now finally in contact with the company, their resolution tactics are unsatisfactory. I am letting this review stand. See the bottom for updates.

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I subscribe to The Homeschool Buyers Co-op, and noticed they were featuring Evan-Moor’s Teacher File Box last month. I was currently researching workbooks and products to use for Discover Africa, and wondered if they’d have something useful. I could not afford the subscription fee, but signed up for a short trial period. You had to enter payment details, so I made sure to note on my calendar when to cancel.

The back end is a little clunky, but I liked that I could save units or worksheets that looked like they might work for me. I organized my file box, and printed out a few samples of their material on Africa and the Solar System. I was disappointed to find outdated worksheets. Africa’s did not include recent changes like Sudan’s split, and the Solar System worksheets did not include any dwarf planets or even the correct rings around planets other than Saturn.

I clicked on the “My Account” link and followed the steps to unsubscribe. I could not afford to be charged. A pop up window asked me if I was sure I wanted to unsubscribe, warned that the changes would be immediate, and that I’d lose any file box data I’d saved. I was fine with that, and clicked the ‘unsubscribe’ button again to confirm. The pop up box disappeared, and I assumed I’d canceled my account.

A few days later, they charged my bank account. We were in the throes of financial upheaval, and I did not notice. We were making arrangements to terminate the server, get me working again, and preparing E. to homeschool. We were fielding calls from the bank, creditors, and medical accounting offices. Mid-August I double checked anything I’d signed up for that may have a recurring charge. I cancelled accounts, subscriptions, and services. I decided to check Teacher File Box, and found my account active. Confused, I wondered if I’d misread the 3-day trial, figuring it must have been a month-long trial. I went through the unsubscribe steps once more.

A couple of days later, I checked again. Still active. I went through the unsubscribe steps again, and sent an email through the system. It lets you click “Support” and then “Report a Problem.” I described my difficulty in unsubscribing, and left my contact information. The site recommended adding their emails to my email accounts so their reply did not get lost in spam. I added their emails, and proceeded to check spam, trash, and junk folders for the next few days.

No reply ever came.

I even tried editing my bank card details in my Teacher File Box account. I changed the bank card # to a dummy, and changed the expiration dates. No dice.

September arrived. I got charged for a subscription I’d been trying to cancel. I found August’s charge. Frustrated, I sent another email through their system, and called for help. It routed me to an answering machine, of course. I left a message with clear contact details. Then I called my bank, Wells Fargo.

The first guy I spoke with was very nice and understanding. He took down the details of my case, gave me a case number, and transfered me to the claims department. The second guy I spoke with wasn’t so nice. I get it, they probably get tons of people trying to worm their way out of bills, but wow. Super stern.

I related all my details after jumping through the hoops to verify my account. He wanted to know if I had any confirmation of my unsubscribe attempts. No, I did not. I explained how the interface worked, and how you had to log in to complete the unsubscribe request. I told him how I’d tried several times, how I’d emailed, and left messages.

He put me on hold to contact the company. Magically he was able to get a human being to speak with. The human being was named Susan or Suzi, I can’t recall – who told him that a) they had no record of my unsubscribe attempts, b) I appeared to be an active member of the site, and c) that I’d logged in that very day.

Mr. Stern returned to relate these details and tell me my claim had been denied. I protested! But I HAD tried to unsubscribe multiple times, it wasn’t my fault their system wasn’t working properly. I’d tried to cancel! And OF COURSE I’D LOGGED IN. You had to log in in order to unsubscribe! I’d emailed, I’d called. What else was I supposed to do?

He canceled my claim and told me he’d put me through to the Susan / Suzi person at Teacher File Box. He hung up, and the line went dead.

I won’t lie. I burst into tears.

I called Teacher File Box again, and got… surprise, an answering machine. I tried to remain calm. I explained the whole situation, but I was weeping, and I’m sure I sounded like an idiot.

I’m frustrated.

I’m embarrassed.

It’s not like it’s a huge amount of money. It’s not like the service sucked. Some of the worksheets looked fun. I just didn’t have a use for them, and $13/month happens to be more than we can justify right now.

I can’t speak to a human. The system won’t work for me, and my bank has left me high and dry. I know whining and crying online isn’t pretty, but I feel like I have no other choice. My reach is not huge enough to make a difference, but I don’t know what else to do.

On top of it all, my iTunes Apple ID got hacked many weeks ago, and I’m still locked out. I have a $100 Mac Apps gift card I’m trying to use to buy software for work, but can’t get into my own account. I’ve received nothing but polite, placating replies from Apple Support and am just about ready to scream.

I’m taking Rescue Remedy like it’s made out of chocolate, trying to relax with a lot of Yoga, and praying my heart out. I remind myself that we’re healthy. That we have a roof over our heads. That school is going well, that I’ve got some monies trickling in through work. That I want to smooch everyone who has purchased a notebooking packet. That my family is beautiful and amazing and wonderful. That I am blessed. I just wish I could stop crying about this stupid Teacher File Box issue. It’s fine. I’ll sell something… I’ll close my bank account and go elsewhere (that’d stop the charges, right?) It’ll be okay. Everything will be okay.

UPDATE: My account at TeacherFileBox.com has been quietly closed. No response, however. No email, no phone call, and no refund.

UPDATE: I came home to an email from Evan-Moor after taking the kids out to redeem some of their library reading program rewards. So far they’ve offered to refund me for September. I’ve written back asking for August’s refund too. But at least I’m communicating with a human. That’s always nice.

This has been such an enormous headache, I’m letting this review stand. They tell me I’m the only one who has had this issue — and maybe that’s true, but I don’t feel comfortable recommending the service based on my experience.

UPDATE: This post has had over 3500 pageviews. I have a slew of supportive email in my inbox, some suggesting an internet-wide boycott of Evan-Moor products. They have not responded via Twitter.

I have had another email insisting that they have done nothing wrong, that they can’t replicate my issues, and insinuating that it must have been user error. They will refund September, but not August’s subscription. This is my reply:

When I signed up, I was signing up for a free 3 day trial. The materials I found and printed were out of date. Africa’s worksheets did not include changes to Sudan (split into South Sudan) and the Solar System materials I viewed did not include any of the dwarf planets. I was unable to find anything that was of use to me, and immediately tried to cancel my account.

I realize that without being able to replicate the unsubscribe issue I was having, it is only my word against what you are seeing and what other customers are saying. But I have no ulterior motive. I tried to unsubscribe a variety of times and could not. I left messages and submitted emails that were never answered until I contacted my bank and left a negative review on my website.

The items that were printed throughout the month of August were simply tests after I tried to unsubscribe each time. I couldn’t understand why I still had access to the account. I’d try to print something I’d added to the firebox, thinking it would give me a message that I needed to subscribe. I did not use any of the materials that were printed during those test periods. In fact one of my email messages through the support ‘report a problem’ form detailed this exact issue.

I am not technically challenged. I design blogs and websites for a living. I am fluent in HTML, CSS, and PHP. I am not some poor sap who simply misunderstood the directions. Despite many attempts, the function within my account refused to unsubscribe me. I had great difficulty contacting anyone to help me. I either got funneled into voice messaging systems, and never received any confirmation that emails submitted through the system were received. Someone called me this morning to apologize and stated that sometimes her email does not function.

I ended up designing an Africa AND a Solar systems curriculum from scratch because none of your materials would work for me and I had two classes to teach.

I do not believe you have been attentive to my complaint that has been ongoing since early in August. I do not believe you have been fair. I understand that it is your word against mine, but you have lost a customer for life. I will not be purchasing any further Evan-Moor materials and I will be letting the negative review on my website stand. My negative review has currently had over 3500 page views. It was published yesterday.

Also, I have filed a complaint with the state of California.

UPDATE: The DCA got back to me and recommended I contact the following agencies: Office of the Attorney General, BBB (Evan-Moor does not appear to be listed, but I filed a complaint with their information entered), California Department of Corporations, the Internet Crime Center, and the Monterey County District Attorney. I have filed a complaint at all locations except for the Internet Crime Center. I’m upset but I still feel like this was a huge misunderstanding / site malfunction, not a crime. Though ‘luring’ consumers with the promise of a free trial, only to make unsubscribing extremely difficult isn’t exactly my idea of a good time.

Comments

  1. Julie P says:

    BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU. Contact them asap. I’m so sorry this is happening to you.

    • jessica says:

      I looked them up, Evan-Moor Corporation isn’t listed with the BBB, at least not that I can see.

      • Julie P says:

        Darn it. Are they out of a certain state and you can contact that state’s commerce department? I’m trying to figure out what I’d do next…

        • jessica says:

          I can’t find any details as to where they’re located, exactly. I’m still looking…

          • jessica says:

            Found it! I’ve called Teacher File Box directly, but now I’ll try Evan-Moor:

            Evan-Moor Corp
            Evan-Moor Educational Publisher, Evan-Moor Corporation
            18 Lower Ragsdale Drive
            Monterey, CA 93940-5746

            Phone: (831) 649-5901

  2. alyson says:

    Good Luck.

  3. jessica says:

    UPDATE: My account at TeacherFileBox.com has been quietly closed. No response, however. No email, no phone call, and no refund.

    • Kristin H says:

      Can you still holler about the two months you were charged?

      • jessica says:

        I’m going to try. I know it’s not very much, and honestly if I were in a better financial position I’d probably just call it a day. But that’s money that needed to go elsewhere.

        I’m going to call the bank back and see if I can get someone else at the claims department.

  4. Kristin H says:

    Oh my gosh, I would be HOT. STEAMING MAD, I tell you. There must be other avenues where you can report fraud…and I’m surprised your bank was so difficult about it! Whenever I’ve protested a charge on Discover, they have been great about giving me my money back until the details are worked out. Good luck and let us know how this turns out. And thank you for the warning about Teacher File Box!

    • jessica says:

      I’m really shocked by the bank. I’ve been with Wells Fargo since 1992, and I’m shopping around for a new place. I’m so sure they’ll care or cry about it, but I’m furious.

      • Caitlin says:

        Go with a community credit union!!! They almost always have better customer service, they have better control and monitoring of their funds, and you are a MEMBER, not just a client who pays them money to manage your own money!

        • Sonja says:

          I second the credit union recommendation. They’re not perfect, but they’re usually much better than the huge banks who have terrible customer service. (A couple of years ago, I found out the hard way that Bank of America CHARGES for calls to their customer service number when you call them too often. Jerks.)

  5. jane says:

    Oh HELL NO. I don’t care if it’s a $2 charge. If I didn’t authorize it, didn’t want it, tried to cancel it, that is THEFT. Evan Moor is in California? Here’s a consumer fraud / complaint form: http://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general fill it out. Did you find the company on Twitter or FB?

  6. Natalie says:

    Wow I’m so sorry! I hate things like this. I once had an issue w an insurance co. that left me in tears for weeks. And another issue w a gum membership that we got swindled by. I understand the angst. Thanks you for the heads up. I will definitely not use that service!!!

    Did they now cancel the membership for you, after you published the post?

    I hope you can get the money back and find a new bank. We have USAA and they are great, though I think you might need a military connection to get in… I’m not sure.

    • Natalie says:

      Hahahahaha I meant “gym” membership . Typing on an iPod. Hahahaha

      • jessica says:

        The most recent update of Apple OS X has that auto correct thing and it’s driving me insane!

        Yes, my account was quietly cancelled, maybe when they spoke with my bank?

  7. Katy says:

    Thanks for the warning! Have you considered also complaining to the Homeschool Buyer’s Coop? Hopefully they would be interested to know what bad service someone got from a company they are promoting.

  8. trena says:

    oh I would be steamed too. There are weeks that $3 is alot of money and I think you should TOTALLY get your money back because you, in good faith, tried multiple times to cancel. I hope it works out for you. I usually use my Paypal account to sign up for anything like that because I usually don’t keep a ton in there and they are really good at advocating for you in case of a dispute (we had our Itunes hacked a few years ago as well and Apple wouldn’t do much for me beyond cancelling my account completely whereas Paypal was able to give me a refund of 75% of what had been stolen). Good luck!!!

    • jessica says:

      So true! I feel so embarrassed that this is an issue when we’re not talking hundreds of dollars or anything, but GEEZ. What an inopportune time for this to happen. I will never sign up for ‘free trials’ that require payment info up front, because even if you’re on the ball and cancel, apparently some companies don’t like to let you.

      If I’d have been able to use Paypal, I would have, but they’d only take a card. I didn’t have a CC, which I think would have been easier to work with on fee reversal, so debit it was.

  9. Kirsten says:

    Boo! That stinks. It doesn’t matter how much money it’ is, it’s the principle of the matter! And I love Evan moor books usually, so that stinks.

  10. Wendy P. says:

    I’m having similar issues with Waste Management, Yahoo, and Humana One insurance. I want all these companies to die in a fire. The run around with their online and phone customer service is ridiculous. I’ve also shed many angry tears. If I have this much trouble, imagine someone elderly or with diminished IQ trying to sort through their intentionally difficult systems? The only way I see to combat this is to complain and complain loudly. Good for you for speaking up.

    • jessica says:

      Oh I am so sorry. I wish there were better protection / recourse for us, but it is really insane. I can’t believe how hard it’s been for me to even get in touch with a human being. I can’t imagine my grandparents going through something like this. UGH.

  11. jessica says:

    Update! We took the kids out tonight to redeem some of their summer library reading program rewards & I came home to an email from Evan Moor. It was very nice and she offered a refund for September. I’ve written back to request a refund for August as well, since I’ve been trying to cancel since early August, before I was ever billed.

    I’ll keep y’all updated. Fingers crossed — kind of sad I had to barf all over the internet to get any help.

  12. Jennifer says:

    Things like that just suck! It takes up so much time and energy that could be spent elsewhere. I used to go on Homeschoolbuyerscoop quite often, and even bought a few things. However, over the years I’ve realized that most of the stuff they offer isn’t good quality, and they ONLY list POSITIVE reviews! How does that help anyone when nobody can say they don’t like it? I spent about $300 on Math Whizz for my kids. They loved it! The trial was so fun, and so was the first few months, until they got to stuff that they didn’t already know. They’d give assignments, no instructions, the kids would get them wrong, and then they’d make they do the same ones day after day! It was horrible. You couldn’t go back and see what was wrong, and they didn’t show you how to get them right. I was finally given about 22000 smart points from the coop as a “refund”, but there isn’t much to buy with it.
    Thanks for the heads up on this one :o)

    • jessica says:

      You know, I’ve noticed that! I keep getting their emails wondering if they’ll ever have anything I’m dying to have. I did scoop up some of the Kumon workbooks we like, the price was good and I already knew I loved them. But everything else seems a bit blah. I’m curious about the Discovery Science subscription, but even at the co-op price it’s still so much $$$, there’s no way we could do it.

      Thanks for the heads up on the refund policy, smart points don’t help anyone, really.

  13. Jennifer says:

    So sorry for the headaches and $$ hassles. I completely relate to how you are feeling and how a seemingly small aggravation can snowball. I am glad you have the energy to follow through with your complaints and hope the company gives you a full refund and a sincere apology. Good luck with a new bank too!

  14. Michelle says:

    I’m so sorry for the trouble and worry you have been through! I will give my two bits for looking into USAA as well. We love it, they have been great for us. When our credit card number was hacked, they contacted us about stopping the charges before we even had a clue. Some of the services you do need military connections for, but not for banking services, I think. Wishing you good luck and hugs!

  15. E says:

    BBB won’t do anything for you, but your state Consumer Protection department should! My hubby used to work for them as an investigator so I know that they would be interested in receiving your complaint and would probably be able to do something about it. Chances are, if you are having a problem, so are a lot of other people! There’s nothing like getting a message from someone sounding official saying that they are being investigated for credit card fraud (which is what it is since you specifically told them multiple times not to charge it and they still are)!

    I know people are not okay with credit cards, but for internet purchases they really are the best thing. The hubs knows a lot about ways to protect yourself from businesses who want to take advantage, especially online!

  16. Cynthia says:

    Good for you.

    I agree that it doesn’t sound like a crime, but the whole “misunderstanding” seems to be more than a “misunderstanding” once you aren’t able to reach anyone.

  17. Jorja says:

    Good luck with this. What a nightmare! That is always one of my biggest anxiety triggers; following all the rules, but getting “into trouble” anyhow.

  18. Anney Banales says:

    My name is Anney Banales and I’m the Director of Customer Service at Evan-Moor.
    We are truly sorry that you do not feel that your concerns have been addressed in this matter.
    We have contacted you numerous times since you first reported this issue to us on 9/8/12.
    We have explained the circumstances, canceled your account and credited your card for the recent charge.
    We always strive to provide outstanding customer service for our customers and resolve their problems and concerns. Our Customer Service Department is open Mon-Fri from 8:00am – 4:30pm PST at 800-777-4362.

    • jessica says:

      Numerous times? I have had one message from you via phone. Another person called to apologize and admitted her email in the claims department does not work properly at all times.

      I have replied to both emails you sent, the most recent of which I have yet to have a reply to. This is a good attempt at PR, but my issue is still not resolved.

      I have filed complaints with various venues in the State of California. I am not alone in thinking I have been treated unjustly and unfairly. Do the right thing & refund me for August.

  19. Erica says:

    Wow, Jessica. What a horrible experience. As a business owner myself, I never can understand how a company would not just refund you the $13. THIRTEEN DOLLARS for crying out loud! How can keeping $13 be worth the bad press and the fact that now you will never buy any of their materials for the next umpteen years that you are educating your own children?! Utterly ridiculous. Yowza. I am sorry you went through that. I appreciate you letting others know about the terrible service and experience you received while using this service. No doubt you have saved some others from the same. (now I’m off to buy some lapbook materials from you…..)

  20. Amy says:

    This reminds me of the time i signed up for Stamps.com, attempted to download the software, found it wasn’t available for Mac at the time, and then emailed them to tell them to cancel my account when I couldn’t find any way to do it on their website. Fast forward a whole year, when I discover a charge from them on my credit card statement (yes, I know I should read it carefully every month, but I don’t always). I find out that they had been charging me their monthly fee all this time for a service that was impossible for me to use with the computers I have. Getting them to refund my money was insane. But they eventually did!

    • jessica says:

      Oh my GOSH. I’m so glad they refunded you.

      I feel so dumb that I didn’t notice the first charge. But geez, life gets insane sometimes and I’m not combing over my bank statement like I should. Still, I couldn’t ever get a hold of anyone, so even if I’d noticed maybe it wouldn’t have helped anyway.

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