Patent Foramen Ovale (PFO)

I am now on my laptop and can type with both hands! I started to re-read that harried phone post, and couldn’t make it all the way through. So sorry about all those typos. I might repeat myself a little here, but hopefully it’ll read a bit better.

I spent two nights in the hospital, and as I think I said, we were actually pretty delighted when the echocardiogram found the hole in my heart (officially called Patent Foramen Ovale or PFO for short). Thinking that explained everything, we (not-so-patiently) waited for the doctor to make his rounds that night, anticipating a lot of plan-making for appointments with cardiologists and surgery. Around 10pm we found out that the doctors only make rounds once a day, so we went to bed.

Around 8 Saturday morning the doctor came in, but behaved in a rather confusing manner. Instead of setting up a move to the cardiology floor or at the very least, referring me to a cardiologist, he basically waved away all my strange blacking out episodes with a shrug telling me, “My wife passes out all the time, I just catch her.” He breezed over the hole in my heart as well, saying I should just take an asprin every day, and eat more salt to get my blood pressure and heart rate higher. The next thing we knew we were being discharged.

It was nice to get the IV out of my arm, but as we went out to the car, I had a few more of those very weak, black episodes. Eric gritted his teeth as he caught me, and said, “My love for that doctor is growing less and less with every passing second.” He helped me into the car, and we headed for home. I was at a bit of a loss, we were so confused. I had the thought to call our family doctor, but figured he wouldn’t be in the office on a Saturday. I called anyway, and to my surprise he was there! After a short explanation, he wanted to see me right away.

Instead of driving home, we drove there. The doctor from the hospital told me he would not be sending any files over to my family doctor, so I’d filled out a medical release form, but the nurse said my records wouldn’t be completely compiled yet. I was surprised to find my family doctor had a pretty good sized report, though incomplete. As he read through it we felt our frustration towards the hospital doctor melt away. He had clearly been very thorough and his notes read much better than he communicated things in person. It appeared it was just a communication / bedside manner issue. My family doctor communicates much better and we left with a plan and feeling much more at ease — if still facing some bizarre stuff.

My family doctor was very concerned and said all the cardiologists he knows do not take PFOs lightly and will want to repair them; and is going to call around to see who can fit me in the soonest. I should hear from him tomorrow about the appointment. He felt the risk of stroke with a hole in your heart is very great, and there’s no sense in waiting for one to happen before you repair the hole. There is still a big question mark about the passing out episodes. Both the hospital doctor and my family doctor didn’t know of any connection between fainting and a PFO, but I have found lots of personal stories online from people who had PFOs who were feeling like they were going to pass out / black out. My family doctor said a specialist may know better what the connection might be. My heart skips frequently, sometimes two beats at a time. My aunt (more on her below) had a theory that with an already low blood pressure, when my heart skips a beat or two, that’s a whole dose (or two) of oxygenated blood that doesn’t make it to my brain. It has no choice but to shut down the system until the next heart beat pumps oxygenated blood back in. That would explain why the episodes are often so short, but it’s only a theory.

I spent over an hour on the phone with my aunt (my dad’s sister). She too had the hole in her heart and suffered hundreds if not thousands of strokes before finding the hole and getting it fixed. Her MRI looks like a starry night sky, there are so many white spots showing the damage from each stroke. It is truly a miracle she is still alive. We share so many of the same symptoms and problems, it was very vindicating to be able to talk with her. I felt like I wasn’t going crazy. There appears to be quite a connection between the migraines with auras I get, and PFOs… though having the PFO repair for migraines alone is still not an approved or proven course of action. She recommended strongly that I do not waste my time with doctors up here, but visit a PFO specialist in Utah. However, on further investigation it appears that doctor has retired.

I spent last night researching doctors that specialist either trained or worked closely with, and found several. I’m looking forward to calling a few to see what my options really are. There is a lot of information online about ‘qualifying’ for PFO repair, in that I need to actually HAVE a stroke before I can get the hole repaired… which kind of boggles the mind. Why wait for a potentially fatal stroke if you can close the hole and prevent one???

On how I’m feeling: My head is consistently aching… not a full on migraine, but a very persistent, splitting headache. The strange dizzy spells, which are better described as a complete loss of energy so great that I just go boneless and collapse, continue and occur regardless of my position. I can have them standing, lying down, or sitting. My family doctor has essentially placed me on bedrest. I’m not allowed to walk around in case I fall and hurt myself or someone else. It’s very annoying, but I do understand the precaution. Whenever I have felt well enough to walk around a little, I’ve had a big episode and collapsed on the floor. Best not to push my luck.

I am worried about a lot of things. I’m afraid of having a stroke, afraid I will have to fight to get the care / repair I need, afraid of what these black out / collapsing spells mean, whether or not they are connected to the hole, and if they aren’t, what other mysterious ailment is going on and how will I find out what it is? I am of course worried about the financial side of things, though trying to trust in the Lord and recognize that family and my church are able to help. I do have peace and a calmness that keeps me strong.

Thank you for caring about all of this, for letting me write it out here. I’m so grateful for family and friends (Kat, Tracy, and my sister have shared a little bit about all of this too) — I know I sound like a broken record, but I don’t know how I’ve ended up with this amazing circle of friends. I don’t deserve them at all, but am thankful they are willing to come sit with me while I go to the bathroom so I don’t pass out on the toilet, spend hours at the dreadfully slow ER, and smuggle treats and amenities into the hospital for me. My mom, though in pain herself from really bad knees, is taking care of my children, cleaning my house, and bringing me food on trays. My husband is holding everyone together, working hard in his new calling at church, and cheerfully fielding so many questions and inquiries about me– his new role in the Bishopric will turn him into a people-person-extrovert yet :o)

My children are doing okay. We didn’t share too much about everything because we didn’t want to scare them (especially my oldest), but I gave them a run down yesterday. I never thought I’d say I was grateful for all those hard months being pregnant and sick, but I am very grateful now that my children have witnessed me very ill, and trust that I will get better. Mommy passing out? No big deal, we remember when she couldn’t get up for days, and puked constantly. I’m grateful they are at peace, and are not stressed out.

Ha. I guess typing with both hands is so much nicer than phone-typing that I’ve written a novel. I’ll keep you posted, thanks for tuning in to the ongoing drama of my health.

xo

Comments

  1. Lee Laughlin says:

    Oh honey!!
    Wishing you peace and health as you navigate this process.

    • jessica says:

      Thanks Lee, I’m sorry I haven’t been able to reply to Twitter yet, I know you asked why it all of a sudden starts causing problems. They don’t really know! But they know a lot of people can be born without the hole closing as it should and it usually doesn’t start causing problems until we get older. Something maybe to do with aging blood? Aging heart muscle? Not sure!

  2. Amanda says:

    Thank you for the update, I’ve been worried! I’m praying for you and your family – especially your oldest. Having GAD, myself, and a child who suffers from a lot of worries (though he’s never been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder), I have an extra measure of sympathy for kids who feel the weight of the world on their shoulders. I pray for peace for all of you and for provision for all the expenses and wisdom for the doctors.

    • jessica says:

      Thank you, he is doing so well, though you’ll believe me when I say he has gotten a very watered down version. Still, he has seen a lot of the weird black out episodes, but doesn’t seem frightened. I’m so grateful he’s not coming unglued.

  3. angela s says:

    Just emailed my friend with a PFO who had a stroke a while back. She lives in Utah and I’ll see if I can find out about her doctors. Sending prayers!

    • jessica says:

      Oh thanks Angela, any doctor names would be great, and I’d love to hear if she was happy w/ the procedure, which device she got (if she knows) and how her recovery was.

  4. Andrea says:

    Hugs, thoughts, and prayers, brave woman.

    • jessica says:

      Thanks Andrea, I hope I can be brave!

      • Andrea says:

        Well, the definition of courage that I like the most is “being afraid of something and doing it anyway.” I’ve sure that there are plenty of times when you curl up into a ball and wish for it to go away, but you’re still looking for solutions, still blogging, still loving your kids and husband, still thinking ahead. At this point your body isn’t working like it’s supposed to, but you haven’t stopped being you, you haven’t stopped having faith. As someone who suffers from depression and anxiety, I would like to say with authority that sometimes those are the hardest two things to keep doing in circumstances like the ones you describe. Therefore, I consider you brave. :P

  5. Melissa says:

    Oh my gosh—you are so brave! Take all he support you can get and take good care!

  6. Kismet says:

    Wow.
    you know those pass-out episodes almost sound like small siezures.
    Could your diet be a factor at all??
    Love you. Praying.
    ~K,

    • jessica says:

      They did do a full EEG, where I got my head covered in leads and had an hour long test to see if I was having seizures. It was negative, thank goodness!

      I can’t imagine how but I have added in more meat just in case I needed extra protein. The docs thought everything else, my blood work, minerals, reflexes, etc. looked as healthy as could be. I did show hypothyroid, which I already knew about, but they didn’t think that explained the episodes. I am still waiting on that adrenal / cortisol test. I think fatigued adrenals could cause weakness, so I’m curious about that.

  7. Kristin H says:

    That is just crazy! Have you had symptoms in the past, or is it a sudden onset thing? Anyway, I’m sending lots of prayers your way! Good luck getting some answers AND action to take care of it! :-)

    • jessica says:

      I did have a similar, singular episode before I had my endometrial ablation when my periods were insane. I blamed the fainting on the severe anemia, though we did go to the ER that night. Ativan stopped the episodes so they sent me home. I have Ativan again, but it hasn’t helped the episodes at all this time, so I’m not sure if it was the same thing. But it felt similar.

    • jessica says:

      Oh and thank you! Action would be great!!

  8. mamalang says:

    You’ve been heavy on my heart and mind this weekend. I hope you get lots of answers tomorrow, and get placed on the road to recovery.

  9. tracey says:

    I have been reading your blog for years and years……I love your life and I hope you will be feeling better soon. You are a strong woman!!

  10. Katie says:

    I hope you are able to find some resolution soon!

    I know how much you loathe unsolicited advice, but like Kismet said, as I was reading, I wondered about diet. I support raw foodism myself, and know that raw diets have been incredibly healing for many people I know, but there are a significant number who simply could not thrive on vegan or raw long term. It may be worth pondering and considering.

    • jessica says:

      No, it’s a good thought, really. I’ve had a lot of people ask me about it, but I wasn’t totally raw at all, nor have I been vegan ever. Lots of roasted veggies, and I eat eggs almost every day. I was having sausage a few times a month, and chicken on our date nights when I’d have a Costa Vida salad. But I have added in more meat since this started happening. My first meal in bed was a gluten free hamburger :o) None of the food changes seem to be helping at all,though I imagine if I were terribly deficient in something it would take some time.

      The doctors did know I was a ‘healthy eater’ and did a full nutrition work up to make sure I was not deficient in anything like vegans or vegetarians often are. They said they’d never seen a healthier looking workup. I was a little deficient in potassium and magnesium and they added those to my drip, but said almost everyone is, and those are important for heart support.

      I have continued to take magnesium and they seem to help my episodes. I did show hypothyroidism but I already knew that. Still waiting on the complete adrenal workup as fatigued adrenals can cause weakness, but it doesn’t seem to be connected to my diet at all.

      • Katie says:

        Thanks for the detailed reply :-)

        I was thinking you were living primarily on green smoothies, salads, and some roasted vegetables, with no eggs or meat. I agree that with what you were eating, it doesn’t seem like it could really be a problem.

        • jessica says:

          I kept meaning to do a detailed post on what I was eating and my exercise line up and all of that, since I think I did manage to come off sounding 100% raw…. well, and I was for a bit there, at the beginning during the initial cleanse, and the first month, but then I never really followed back up with how the diet evolved, and what we added back in. At least not very clearly.

          Seems rather silly to do a ‘I’m feeling great, this is how I’m eating’ post now that I’m bed ridden… AGAIN. :op

  11. Carrie says:

    Ugh! I can’t believe you’re having more health issues. Sending hugs!

  12. Valena says:

    I’m praying that your issues can all be identified and resolved quickly… and I’m grateful you have such a wonderful network of friends and family to take care of you during this difficult and frustrating time. Lots of prayers and hugs for you!

  13. Deann says:

    I hope you can get some answers and solutions quickly. Thank goodness for awesome family and friends to help you out :) So this may be a silly question… but this has been present since birth but is only causing obvious problems now… it seems to be a possible cause of migranes.. Any ideas yet on why it’s suddenly an issue? Sorry for the questions.. my oldest has an irregular heart rate and it was only found at her Kindergarten physical. The doc told us quite a range of ways it could affect her.. so I guess heart things are something that interests me. But, prayers being said, and take it easy :)

    • jessica says:

      I keep meaning to address that very question and then I forget every time I’m writing a post.

      PFO is fairly common. After birth, the foramen ovale closes in 75 percent of the population. In the other 25 percent, the opening fails to close and remains open (patent). They say that most of those within that 25 percent can grow old and die without the hole causing any problems. In some, it starts to cause issues as they grow older. Some babies do have some problems from it (like turning blue when they try to poop, for example) and little ones do have the repair done in some cases. But it sounds like usually you won’t even know you have the hole until later in life.

      Yes, migraines are a big connection, especially migraines with aura which I’ve had since I was around 20 years old. They’re not sure why it can start to cause problems later on, it might have to do with the size of the hole – some are small, and some are quite large (the size of a half dollar). Maybe where you live (more impurities in the air, getting into your blood stream and sent, unfiltered to your brain through the hole), or the overall health of the person. There are quite a few clinical studies going on now, but there just isn’t a ton known about it yet.

      I’m thinking about having my oldest checked out with a bubble test because he too gets the severe migraines. A heart murmur or heart skip is often a good sign. I hope you can find some answers for your oldest!

  14. Aimee says:

    I hope you find some answers quickly. Prayers for your health, and your family.

  15. Tasha L. says:

    We’ve been praying for you here in our home ever since we heard that you were in the hospital. I know how it feels to be low on funds and to need lots of medical care. It will all work out in the end! You are surrounded by lots of people who love you and are willing to help! Try to enjoy the time you need to rest and get better

  16. chanelireli says:

    Hugs and peace and lots of prayers being sent up for you :)

  17. That’s so frustrating when doctors seem to wave away your concerns. I’m glad your family doctor isn’t minimizing your fears, and is helping you get the care you need!

    Also, for what it’s worth, just because blackouts aren’t a “typical” symptom of PFO’s doesn’t mean they’re not a symptom of *your* PFO. Everyone’s bodies are so unique and individual, it’s kind of silly to imagine that EVERYONE is going to have exactly the same symptoms from any given illness or condition.

    I’ll keep you in my prayers!

  18. Erica says:

    How scary! Will be praying for you.

  19. Alex says:

    Oh I am in shock… I haven’t been reading your blog in a while and was shocked to see this post today. I really hope you find the help you need. I will be praying for you and your family. Take care and rest. Hugs

  20. Heather O. says:

    Very scary! I have very low blood pressure and have had black outs in the past, so I identify with {some of} what you’re going through. I hope you find some answers quickly! Take care of yourself, Jessica! I’m keeping you and your family in my thoughts.

    • jessica says:

      Oh that’s good to know, I’m having a hard time finding information about low blood pressure linking to black outs. Thank you!

      • Katie says:

        What is your blood pressure normally? In the past, mine was always 110/60 to 120/60, but I realized that was always measured during pregnancy (the only time I went to the doctor).

        In the past 5 years, mine has been much lower, which I found out when I was turned away from donating blood. I don’t remember what the exact numbers were that time, but the requirement to give blood is 80/50. I think my systolic was OK, but diastolic was low. Today we were at the grocery store, and I did the pharmacy blood pressure thing, and it was 98/44.

        I do get dizzy a lot when I stand up (and occasionally just sitting down). However, I have had a bubble echocardiogram, and was told there were no issues, so I’m pretty sure there is no PFO.

        It somehow seems logical that low blood pressure would be linked to blackouts, and a little strange that it’s not, or there’s not more information on it.

  21. Jennifer says:

    Wishing you health and peace!

  22. PFO care is still not settled, and it puts us patients in a stressful spot. Very touching story, thanks for sharing and best of luck to you! Let me know if we can be of any help.

    • jessica says:

      Thanks for commenting, Charlie. I submitted a survey on the PFO Research site.

      Does your organization show any links to these strange loss of strength / full body weakness / collapsing incidents, low blood pressure, heart skips, and PFO?

      • I’m not a medical professional, so just take this as pointers from the perspective of one patient. First, I would first download our Patient Guide of you haven’t already read it. http://pforesearch.org/?q=content/patient-guide-pfo. It gives you a crash course about PFO and its relation to some of the issues you list. I had a mini-stroke, but many of the PFO patients we interact with have severe migraine, episodes of weakness, etc. Patients on our Facebook group share many of these stories. You may find something there too. https://www.facebook.com/groups/106434738635/

        Happy to discuss further if you want to contact me directly. Best of luck!

  23. Jessica, I’ve been thinking of you often since your last post and I just wanted to say that I’m still praying for you and your family. As someone who has several loved ones under regular cardiac care, I understand just how serious this is. My hope is that your upcoming visit to the cardiologist (just read to today’s post) will yield positive action for you. I know it’s far away from where you are, but Stanford University here in Northern California is known for it’s premier cardiac care. Sometimes patients have to travel long distances for care – if you find yourself in that situation, please take a look at what Stanford has to offer.

  24. Julie Lyon says:

    Hi, Jessica. I am not a doctor, just another person that had a PFO like you. This article I just pulled up sort of reminds me of you http://chestioumal.chestpubs.org/data/Journals/CHEST/21635/1157.pdf. I have heard of patients having a ’tilt table test’ when having symptoms such as yours. Just a couple of ideas as you are searching for answers. Please join us on Facebook if you like – PFO Research Foundation, a group formed by patients for patients with PFO.

  25. Sam says:

    Jessica! I just want you to know I am seriously adding you to my prayers. You sound like you are pursuing all your options. Just really hoping you can get a surgery scheduled as quickly as possible. I agree with you – waiting around for a stroke seems completely unnecessary. Thanks for such a long update. I will be sending you lots of good thoughts (which is what my Grandma always tells me, and I love it).

  26. Rhi says:

    Oh my goodness. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers! Hope you’re on the mend soon.

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